Comments on: A Death Threat in the Tenderloin for AdamsBlock.com Website Founder http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/12/04/a-death-threat-in-the-tenderloin-for-adamsblockcom-website-founder/ editor@sfcitizen.com - R.I.P. Bernie (Uncle Bobby B, Baby, Uncle Bobby B) Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:54:01 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: BigBrothersLittleSister http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/12/04/a-death-threat-in-the-tenderloin-for-adamsblockcom-website-founder/#comment-4143 BigBrothersLittleSister Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:42:54 +0000 http://sfcitizen.com/blog/?p=2711#comment-4143 Nobody could argue more policing is needed in most major cities, but cameras are only as good as those behind them. They threw up cameras in our neighborhood for a chosen few to use from the comfort of their home computers, proving intent was for certain people only to watch neighbors for the purpose of singling out those they had it out for or didn't approve of rather than as a sincere neighborhood watch effort. Be careful what you ask for, you may get it, but not quite as you'd intended. For every person committing crime, there are those who would use cameras as perniciously. That camera which is supposed to be watching crime may just as easily be watching you in what is supposed to be the privacy of your home, and there are limits to what any camera can view publicly. For instance, surveillance cameras of this nature are supposed to be fixed rather than adjustable to prevent their misuse, and I'd highly recommend being very selective in who uses them, background checks and all. When it comes to camera surveillance it is hard to identify anyone, and police mostly rely on someone to come forward and identify those caught in the act of committing crime. They know very well closing bars are a hot spot for broken law, so if they aren't around then, what makes a camera the answer? Fact is not enough get involved in heading to city hall and demanding they do more about these things, the primary start to fixing the problem. If they refuse, get these same people who are too busy to do more than erect cameras involved in electing new leaders who will lean on the police they hired to do the job they are being paid to do. I'm sorry the people who initiated this camera idea were threatened, and they should not live in fear of being where they are anymore than of someone harming them, but what did they expect to happen? In situations such as these, it takes an army of concerned citizens to take action and make change, not a couple of miserable people living where they are unhappy and can no longer enjoy living. For anyone who might think I lack compassion for these residents, think again. I've lived in a trampled public zone myself and have done all the things they did and more, but was wise enough not to disclose identity or location. We went to city hall in two cities being as our problem bordered more than one along a bike path, and took along our mayor to request help from our neighboring area. Bike traffic is major in this location thanks to the bike path, and riders created a traffic hazard here as well. Our efforts helped for a few years, but over time the problem crept back in as police combated crimes elsewhere. If people are not in it for the long haul, it's inevitably a loosing battle from my own experience. Police must become dedicated to cleaning up the worst areas of any town, yet have only so many to go around. Unless everyone is willing to hire more patrol and pay the price while making very sure they have a worthy police chief, nothing will change. I'm a 5th generation Californian, 7th generation American, and equally concerned citizen who has watched our state gradually deteriorate over the course of 50 + years, but do not believe cameras are the answer to these problems. All you'll do is loose even more than safety in compromising everyone's privacy. Get and let police to do their jobs being as they can and should be held accountable for it. Nobody could argue more policing is needed in most major cities, but cameras are only as good as those behind them. They threw up cameras in our neighborhood for a chosen few to use from the comfort of their home computers, proving intent was for certain people only to watch neighbors for the purpose of singling out those they had it out for or didn’t approve of rather than as a sincere neighborhood watch effort. Be careful what you ask for, you may get it, but not quite as you’d intended. For every person committing crime, there are those who would use cameras as perniciously. That camera which is supposed to be watching crime may just as easily be watching you in what is supposed to be the privacy of your home, and there are limits to what any camera can view publicly. For instance, surveillance cameras of this nature are supposed to be fixed rather than adjustable to prevent their misuse, and I’d highly recommend being very selective in who uses them, background checks and all.

When it comes to camera surveillance it is hard to identify anyone, and police mostly rely on someone to come forward and identify those caught in the act of committing crime. They know very well closing bars are a hot spot for broken law, so if they aren’t around then, what makes a camera the answer? Fact is not enough get involved in heading to city hall and demanding they do more about these things, the primary start to fixing the problem. If they refuse, get these same people who are too busy to do more than erect cameras involved in electing new leaders who will lean on the police they hired to do the job they are being paid to do.

I’m sorry the people who initiated this camera idea were threatened, and they should not live in fear of being where they are anymore than of someone harming them, but what did they expect to happen? In situations such as these, it takes an army of concerned citizens to take action and make change, not a couple of miserable people living where they are unhappy and can no longer enjoy living. For anyone who might think I lack compassion for these residents, think again. I’ve lived in a trampled public zone myself and have done all the things they did and more, but was wise enough not to disclose identity or location. We went to city hall in two cities being as our problem bordered more than one along a bike path, and took along our mayor to request help from our neighboring area. Bike traffic is major in this location thanks to the bike path, and riders created a traffic hazard here as well. Our efforts helped for a few years, but over time the problem crept back in as police combated crimes elsewhere. If people are not in it for the long haul, it’s inevitably a loosing battle from my own experience. Police must become dedicated to cleaning up the worst areas of any town, yet have only so many to go around. Unless everyone is willing to hire more patrol and pay the price while making very sure they have a worthy police chief, nothing will change.

I’m a 5th generation Californian, 7th generation American, and equally concerned citizen who has watched our state gradually deteriorate over the course of 50 + years, but do not believe cameras are the answer to these problems. All you’ll do is loose even more than safety in compromising everyone’s privacy. Get and let police to do their jobs being as they can and should be held accountable for it.

]]> By: EssEllArr http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/12/04/a-death-threat-in-the-tenderloin-for-adamsblockcom-website-founder/#comment-4018 EssEllArr Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:15:39 +0000 http://sfcitizen.com/blog/?p=2711#comment-4018 I agree with Brad--forming a critical mass of another sort (cams not bikes) is the answer. Adam had the right idea and in solidarity, many others working as one can make his great idea greater. Adam was beaten down by bullies and the rest of us shouldn't let that happen. They claim free speech, but in turn denied Adam his. Well, we can face their hateful actions with more cameras. Call them out for the nasty cowards they are and show their faces to the whole world. I agree with Brad–forming a critical mass of another sort (cams not bikes) is the answer. Adam had the right idea and in solidarity, many others working as one can make his great idea greater. Adam was beaten down by bullies and the rest of us shouldn’t let that happen. They claim free speech, but in turn denied Adam his. Well, we can face their hateful actions with more cameras. Call them out for the nasty cowards they are and show their faces to the whole world.

]]> By: sfcitizen http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/12/04/a-death-threat-in-the-tenderloin-for-adamsblockcom-website-founder/#comment-3961 sfcitizen Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:07:01 +0000 http://sfcitizen.com/blog/?p=2711#comment-3961 I get your point, Eff, but the video is what's perfect, I wasn't referring to CM itself. The vanguard corks the intersection and then the parade begins. If you get stuck like this, be sure not to tell the SFPD all about it. They won't care a whit about your concerns, I can assure you. I get your point, Eff, but the video is what’s perfect, I wasn’t referring to CM itself.

The vanguard corks the intersection and then the parade begins.

If you get stuck like this, be sure not to tell the SFPD all about it. They won’t care a whit about your concerns, I can assure you.

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If it worked “perfectly” the cyclists would OBEY THE GOD DAMNED TRAFIC LAWS LIKE THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO.

That video clearly shows them blocking traffic, ignoring the street lights, etc.

]]> By: Elle Hampton http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/12/04/a-death-threat-in-the-tenderloin-for-adamsblockcom-website-founder/#comment-3927 Elle Hampton Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:02:09 +0000 http://sfcitizen.com/blog/?p=2711#comment-3927 I live at Ellis and Jones on the corner. It is a "safe house" for crack and meth dealers and runs the Bay Area. At times it goes back to Atlantic City. I have had death threats, three break-ins just last week alone, stalking, obscene phone calls, and assaulted at my door despite the cameras. I'm on the gangbangers cell phone with pictures and video despite protest of a merchant and myself on Jones Street. The camera action originated out of 220 Jones street, a strip joint currently called Pink Diamonds. And I'm still standing. I'm still here. Charlie PATEL is the property owner. The John Stewart Company and Episcopal Community Services "manage " this building with a $46 million dollar annual budget from the welfare office alone. Where are the taxpayers dollars? We don't see it. They enable the criminals in this and around this building. How can a female part time desk clerk afford a new $40,00 town car with windows recently tinted (anotgher few thousand)? It's parked out front every morning. Check it out. Put her and her car on camera. Why don't the disabled vets, wheel chaired, caned and cutched have no elevator after over two months? They refused to sign a contract to have the work done. The same desk clerk refudes to call an ambulance. I have diabetic shock (pre-coma) and respiratory distress. The ER physician at St Francis tells me to come back. The Department of Building Inspections has scheduled a hearing December 18th at 9:30 a.m.. The owner of record "Mentone Hotel LLC" 212 Sutter Street, 3rd floor. San Francisco, CA 94103 Case : DC6 BY ORDER OF THE DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING INSPECTION. Please be there to witness the injustice. I AM A SEVENTH GENERATION SAN FRANCISCO NATIVE AND, YES, THIS IS THE WORST NEIGHBORHOOD. YES, THERE IS NO JUSTICE. YES, THE POLICE REFUSE TO RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, ASSAULT, STALKING, HARASSMENT, RETAILATION, GRUDGE ACTS. OFFICER *****HOUSE HS REFUSED TO TAKE MANY COMPLAINTS AND DEMANDED FROM ME PROOF OF RESIDENCY TO MAKE A COMPLAINT! SOUNDS A LOT LIKE 1917 AND THE ANTI-CHINESE ACT. CALL THE TENDERLOIN STATION, THE JOHN STEWART COMPANY, AND/OR EPISCOPAL COMMUNITY SERVICES AND DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS. EMAIL mentone.tenants@yahoo.com for comments. Coalition to Save the Mentone is a project of Justice for Homeless San Francisco, Protective Class Status Campaign. I live at Ellis and Jones on the corner. It is a “safe house” for crack and meth dealers and runs the Bay Area. At times it goes back to Atlantic City.
I have had death threats, three break-ins just last week alone, stalking, obscene phone calls, and assaulted at my door despite the cameras. I’m on the gangbangers cell phone with pictures and video despite protest of a merchant and myself on Jones Street. The camera action originated out of 220 Jones street, a strip joint currently called Pink Diamonds. And I’m still standing. I’m still here.

Charlie PATEL is the property owner. The John Stewart Company and Episcopal Community Services “manage ” this building with a $46 million dollar annual budget from the welfare office alone.

Where are the taxpayers dollars? We don’t see it. They enable the criminals in this and around this building. How can a female part time desk clerk afford a new $40,00 town car with windows recently tinted (anotgher few thousand)? It’s parked out front every morning. Check it out. Put her and her car on camera.

Why don’t the disabled vets, wheel chaired, caned and cutched have no elevator after over two months? They refused to sign a contract to have the work done. The same desk clerk refudes to call an ambulance. I have diabetic shock (pre-coma) and respiratory distress. The ER physician at St Francis tells me to come back.

The Department of Building Inspections has scheduled a hearing December 18th at 9:30 a.m.. The owner of record “Mentone Hotel LLC” 212 Sutter Street, 3rd floor. San Francisco, CA 94103 Case : DC6 BY ORDER OF THE DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING INSPECTION. Please be there to witness the injustice.

I AM A SEVENTH GENERATION SAN FRANCISCO NATIVE AND, YES, THIS IS THE WORST NEIGHBORHOOD.

YES, THERE IS NO JUSTICE.

YES, THE POLICE REFUSE TO RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, ASSAULT, STALKING, HARASSMENT, RETAILATION, GRUDGE ACTS. OFFICER *****HOUSE HS REFUSED TO TAKE MANY COMPLAINTS AND DEMANDED FROM ME PROOF OF RESIDENCY TO MAKE A COMPLAINT! SOUNDS A LOT LIKE 1917 AND THE ANTI-CHINESE ACT.

CALL THE TENDERLOIN STATION, THE JOHN STEWART COMPANY, AND/OR EPISCOPAL COMMUNITY SERVICES AND DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS.

EMAIL mentone.tenants@yahoo.com for comments. Coalition to Save the Mentone is a project of Justice for Homeless San Francisco, Protective Class Status Campaign.

]]> By: Brad http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/12/04/a-death-threat-in-the-tenderloin-for-adamsblockcom-website-founder/#comment-3920 Brad Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:28:04 +0000 http://sfcitizen.com/blog/?p=2711#comment-3920 It occurs to me that there may be one relatively simple and really effective way to take the bite out of this 'death threat' strategy someone is employing to try to turn off Adam's webcam. Announce that 6-10 more cameras are going up around the intersection. Have friends and neighbors quietly (as in not give there names out publicly) put them up and agree to keep them running no matter what happens to Adam and announce that this has happened. Suddenly, offing Adam gains nothing for those making the threat. The 'light' being shone on this intersection won't go away unless those making this threat can find and kill 5-10 people and that's not likely to happen before the public and the police catch up with the sick, stupid people making this threat. Just a thought. Brad It occurs to me that there may be one relatively simple and really effective way to take the bite out of this ‘death threat’ strategy someone is employing to try to turn off Adam’s webcam. Announce that 6-10 more cameras are going up around the intersection. Have friends and neighbors quietly (as in not give there names out publicly) put them up and agree to keep them running no matter what happens to Adam and announce that this has happened. Suddenly, offing Adam gains nothing for those making the threat. The ‘light’ being shone on this intersection won’t go away unless those making this threat can find and kill 5-10 people and that’s not likely to happen before the public and the police catch up with the sick, stupid people making this threat. Just a thought.

Brad

]]> By: Nick L http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/12/04/a-death-threat-in-the-tenderloin-for-adamsblockcom-website-founder/#comment-3906 Nick L Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:34:54 +0000 http://sfcitizen.com/blog/?p=2711#comment-3906 Sorry to comment on this post. Your Post on Yelp didn't have a comment section. I notice you like many people expressed some yelp hate. For many reasons I share the same sentiment. My biggest gripe about yelp is that it doesn't give businesses justice on bad reviews. This inspired us to create a customer service site called feedbackjar.com, which is like getsatisfaction.com but for local businesses. The premise is to allow both customers and businesses communicate on a thread style site to resolve any issues. I was wondering if you have time to take a look at it and give us some feedback (invite code: midmtn). If you think it's worth while, let us know if you write about us in a blog entry. Thank you! Sorry to comment on this post. Your Post on Yelp didn’t have a comment section.
I notice you like many people expressed some yelp hate. For many reasons I share the same sentiment. My biggest gripe about yelp is that it doesn’t give businesses justice on bad reviews. This inspired us to create a customer service site called feedbackjar.com, which is like getsatisfaction.com but for local businesses. The premise is to allow both customers and businesses communicate on a thread style site to resolve any issues. I was wondering if you have time to take a look at it and give us some feedback (invite code: midmtn).
If you think it’s worth while, let us know if you write about us in a blog entry.
Thank you!

]]> By: JohnElway http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/12/04/a-death-threat-in-the-tenderloin-for-adamsblockcom-website-founder/#comment-3864 JohnElway Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:18:51 +0000 http://sfcitizen.com/blog/?p=2711#comment-3864 If anything happened to Adam, we would go after the arsehats with a vengeance. Adam is doing a wonderful service. If anything happened to Adam, we would go after the arsehats with a vengeance. Adam is doing a wonderful service.

]]> By: Brock http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/12/04/a-death-threat-in-the-tenderloin-for-adamsblockcom-website-founder/#comment-3863 Brock Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:40:05 +0000 http://sfcitizen.com/blog/?p=2711#comment-3863 this is terrible news. his cam is so much fun. this is terrible news. his cam is so much fun.

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