Does This YouTube Video Show a Gun Involved in the Fatal July 16th, 2011 SFPD Shooting in the Bayview or Not?

[UPDATE: A protest will be on Tuesday night and the official meeting is on Wednesday night. And here's the Second Angle video that's just been posted. And Lilian Kim from ABC7 KGO-TV is all over this with a chat from the videographer who was on the scene. Oh, and the reason why I made this post yesterday is because the IndyBay crowd seemed a little confused over the existence of a gun - this might seem obvious now but it sure as heck wasn't 24 hours ago. And I'll agree with them that whatever got picked up after 1:15 doesn't look like a gun. (And it seems to be in a different location as well. I'm still baffled over this one...) And here's the SFPD SpotShotter map, just released.]

You can see video of the aftermath of yesterday’s SFPD shooting of Kenneth Harding at Third Street and Oakdale on YouTube here, here, and here. (It’s the same 3:28-length video, AFAIK.)

Here’s the scene at 0:15: 

Does that look like a handgun? [Something like a silver Taurus Millenium PT138?]

[UPDATE 7-28-11: Oh, here it is, per the SFPD:

A little rusty from Seattle's climate? Could be, don't know.]

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At 1:15, somebody picks up something that was in the same general area, but that particular thing doesn’t particularly look like a handgun. It looks like something flat and rectangular.

I don’t know anything about this case, don’t know anything about this video or any gun or who picked up what or who put something where.

I’m baffled.

[UPDATE: Here's a comment on this issue that was just posted a few moments ago here:

@chuckdamailman You're talking about 1:23 into the video. That's not a handgun...it's a small rectangle object and I heard from some that it was his cell phone. Trust me, no gun would be that close to the police and they allow it to stay there. Ahmad770 21 minutes ago

@Ahmad770 15 seconds in bro.. there's a gun on the bottom right corner. not to say it was this young man's weapon, because it could have been anybody's gun. I'm just saying there is a gun in the video. this type of thing frustrates me to the point where I would like to do something. I won't say what that something is. These punk cowards are KILLING our youngsters out here!!! chuckdamailman 3 minutes ago]

[UPDATE: The SFPD weighs in. Oh, and they'll have a community meeting in the Bayview on this topic sometime this week, it's planned.

"Information on the Officer Involved Shooting
Posted Date: 7/17/2011

On Saturday, July 16, 2011 at 4:44pm two uniformed San Francisco Police officers were assigned to a fixed post at Third Street and Palou Street as part of a violence reduction program, in response to recent shootings in the area.

Information is still preliminary. The officers detained a 19 year old male suspect on the Muni light rail platform. This suspect then ran from the police officers who pursued him on foot. It appears that the suspect was armed with a gun and fired at the pursuing officers. At least one of the officers returned fire, in self defense, wounding the suspect. The suspect was transported to the hospital with life threatening injuries. He was pronounced deceased at 7:01 pm.

No officers were injured in this incident. The matter remains under investigation by the Internal Affairs Division (Officer Involved Shooting Team), the San Francisco District Attorney’s Office, the Office of Citizen’s Complaints and the SFPD Homicide Detail."]

[UPDATE: The SFPD weighs in again:

"Officer Involved Shooting Update
Posted Date:7/17/2011
As a result of cooperation from the community and using information obtained through video taken at the scene, just after the incident, San Francisco Police have recovered a handgun believed to be the one used by the suspect in Saturdays incident.  The suspects firearm was apparently taken from the ground as officers tended to the suspect and before officers could clear the scene and establish a crime scene."]

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4 Responses to “Does This YouTube Video Show a Gun Involved in the Fatal July 16th, 2011 SFPD Shooting in the Bayview or Not?”

  1. Ken says:

    Cant tell 100% but it does look like a gun, police could miss it with all the people carrying on and tension and fears rising, Just one angry person can escalate the situation but 20 and then more. Why we talk about rights, what about the rights of all those killed by these type of animals, if he is the same one who killed the pregnant woman, then he got what he deserves, If ?? he did shoot at the cops and I was the cop, I would shoot him without question as he tried to take my life :o) What would you do if someone tried to kill you .. I dont know what the truth is and that is what we need to find out and not what we make UP !!!! by unknown facts :o) I am sure we all have thought many things in life and found out how wrong we WERE!!!, countless times RIGHT??

  2. Shanti says:

    The second angle video is filmed by the same guy who was thought to have picked up the “gun” but he is clearly saying “look your phone.” I admit it whatever that shiny silver thing is it resembles a hand gun. Whatever that young man did is no excuse for police to shot someone five times in the back if he was unarmed and look how long an ambulance took to arrive cops were there b4 aid

  3. wtf says:

    Shanti….he was shot twice not 5 times. Ocnce in teh leg and once in the neck by an unknown gun

  4. Nice :D
    And always count me in ;)